Japanese Swords for Sale on eBay: The Truth Revealed..

Almost all the Japanese swords for sale on eBay are not what they seem.

Outright lies, broken promises, shady business practices and borderline scamming is the order of the day - and in recent years, it has only gotten worse..

The sad part is, the casual sword shopper has no idea what is going on behind the scenes. So with this article, it is time to set the record straight once and for all.

Shady Business Practices..

Some sellers of Japanese swords for sale on eBay have what I would call a very "mixed" reputation. A seller that is hot one month can go cold the next, and where one person gets what they feel is a great deal, someone else gets ripped off..

Consistency is not one of their strong points..

For example, on our forum in the eBay Forge Buying Experiences thread, one of our members is seemingly happy with a sword he purchased for $187 made from "L6" steel.

Sure, the customization's were wrong (wrong tsuba, not silk ito as ordered, etc) but he thought it was a great deal..

Only problem is it is patently impossible to offer Japanese swords for sale made from L6 Bainite for anywhere near $187..

This steel type was first pioneered by Howard Clark back in the late 1990s, and only two other companies (one in Korea and the other, the famous Hanwei forge in Dailan) were able to make it. No other forges in China know HOW to heat treat it properly, nor have easy access to the steel itself, and certainly not for $187.. (multiply the price by 8 or 10 times and it would be believable)..

Same thing with "Japanese swords for sale made from 9260 Spring Steel" for $100..

Again, they can't possibly make real 9260 blades and sell them that cheaply. Case in point, here is a "9260 Blade" that broke on a straightforward cutting target (and the seller would not even answer the customers emails requesting some kind of compensation)..

A so called "9260 Spring Steel" Blade broken at the tang..

At the end of the day, in almost ALL cases, the Japanese swords for sale listed as "L6", "9260 Spring Steel", "Sanmai" or "Tamahagane" etc are all just basic 1045 carbon steel blades that honest sellers offer for around $60 or so..

And they don't even do as good a job.. Just take a look at the tang of this sword compared to a cheap blade by Musashi and its clear you are looking at a total rip off..

Or how about this abomination..

Not a pretty sight what is hidden away "under the hood"..

Speaking of "hidden away"..

Forging Swords in a Candy Store..??

Hammertown: Where 90% of the swords are made..

They may list Japanese swords for sale on eBay and AliExpress, but NOT ONE of these sellers are sword makers or own their own forges as they claim..

SBG member Alexander Notes:

"I lived in China - Suzhou, near Shanghai actually, for 5 years. The few bladesmiths I ever met didn't know English at all and were usually not too knowledgeable about tech, so I would be surprised that any smith would be running their own online vending, let alone speak a hint of English. Most of the ones I had ever seen only dealt with people in-person and I'd have to have a friend translate for me since my Chinese is only basic.

Anyway, so I figured these aren't the smiths of course. The smith is usually some grizzled older guy that you wouldn't be able to communicate with and doesn't know anything about web-design, because he's a smith, not a web designer."

The reality is that the people who offer Japanese swords for sale direct from China do it as a part time business. Most are actually female using unisex or male names (generally speaking, females tend to be better at English than males in China) and on a visit to the forges, I have seen these vendors in action.

They actually zip around on "e-bikes", usually getting the blades from one central location, grab fittings to roughly match a customers request and then take them to other small local shops to be mounted before a quick trip to the post office..

Speaking of post offices, we actually checked out some of the addresses listed on the packages - and not ONE of them was an actual forge as they claimed. Most were totally unrelated shops!

Here is one of the most hilarious pictures we found of one of the more "respectable" eBay stores offering Japanese Swords For Sale..

The return address of a "respected" eBay seller.. No swords being made in here..

But it gets worse.

While most of the blades come from a central, shared workshop we have christened "Hammer-town", Chris from Ronin Katana Notes:

"The remainder comes from purchases of factory rejects. Last year Project X rejected a very large number of laminated katana with fatal flaws, which showed up on eBay. While some dealers may have stuff that looks better than others, it's because they paid for a little better polish, or send them off for hamon that match customer requests. Steel stock and smiths are still the same. Hamon that are far too high, and run off are pretty common. They aren't going to keep remaking it to get what was ordered."

Promise you the world..

Take a look at the Japanese swords for sale on a typical China based site or contact the sellers directly and they will tell you they can and will make anything you want.

But what you receive is almost always - wrong.

A case in point:

"I paid nearly 800usd for a shihozume lamination and got a mono folded steel billet sword. The fittings, rayskin, ito etc were all standard of a cheap sword."

We had the same problem with our own custom katana lines. The more customization options we offered, the more confused and messed up the final order would end up. So after years of trial and error, decided on a limited number of customizations and no more.

It all sounds good when they tell you "sure, we can do this" - but 90% of the time you will end up with something entirely different than you ordered.

Good luck getting a refund..

Unlike North American based sellers, returning a dog of a sword for full refund is incredibly tricky..

One SBG member noted:

"The last sword I sent back to China was a real pain. I had to translate the vendors address to Chinese from English (so the Chinese postman could actually deliver the sword(s) back to them). Then the address had to be written by hand on the shipping label at the post office, as they did not want to provide me blank mailing forms (each form has a unique serial/tracking number). I had to cover half the shipping cost back."

But in truth, this member was lucky - most of the time they will ONLY refund you in full if they are forced to by PayPal, they sword in question is being written about publicly somewhere.

And then there is the issue of swords being refused by Chinese customs. No sword, no refund - sending a sword back to China is a nightmare..

But their feedback is 100%?

You might wonder how these guys are able to offer Japanese swords for sale on eBay and keep ratings of 100% if their practices are so questionable.. Well, here is some insight..

Another one of our forum members ordered a custom sword from eBay. Not only were the customizations all wrong, but the sword was totally substandard in every way and a refund was requested..

The response? "Sorry, we can do a return sure. But would you consider a partial refund?" (bearing in mind this sword was $350).

I will let the buyer in question finish the story:

"So I asked him how much he had in mind as a partial refund. He insulted me by offering me $25USD!! LOL! After doing a triple take at my monitor I replied that if that is the most he'd be willing to offer, I'd just rather return for full refund. He apologized and asked how much I thought was fair. Not wanting to be too hard on the guy I said I'd take $75. Bottom line is that although that will certainly not cover a re-wrap and proper fittings that puts what I received at a price that I don't feel like I got ripped at. So he agreed. Now I find out how he has maintained a 100%+ feedback profile. He responds saying that he will gladly refund only after I have left him 5 star positive feedback and ended this request with 'thank you for your help and understanding'."

Are all eBayers offering Japanese Swords for Sale really that bad?

For a while on our forum, we had one "guy" in China offering what seemed to be great quality Japanese swords for sale on eBay and AliExpress who seemed to be an exception to the rule..

Prices were great, the swords themselves were pretty decent "eye candy" and many people claimed to be having good experiences (especially those who ordered and told the seller they would be reviewing the swords on the forum.. No surprise they would use this for marketing purposes and deliver their best sword, but I digress).

At first, things were mostly good. Yes, sometimes they took up to a year to deliver custom swords promised in a few weeks, and often the customizations were wrong. This kind of thing happens, even our line of custom swords have a small error rate and often end up taking longer than anticipated. But - and this is a key difference - we maintain communication at all times and will remake, refund or otherwise ensure the end result is satisfactory if something goes wrong.

This "guy" - quite often went silent. Sometimes for months at a time.

Here is an example:

"On the fifth month I asked Jacky to give me a refund before my PayPal buyer protection ran out which he did, and I told him I would send the payment again once the sword was complete. Now he won't return any of my emails. I wouldn't care so much if I hadn't shipped him all of my fittings for the sword."

This is not an isolated event. And some people don't even get the refund, communication just stops dead.

Conclusion

After all is said and done, "if it seems too good to be true it probably is" and "caveat emptor: buyer beware" apply doubly to eBay.

Local businesses that offer Japanese swords for sale are a much safer option. While many import their swords from the big suppliers the eBayers get their swords from, they are upfront about what they are selling.

They also inspect their swords and reject the swords that the eBayers are happy to sell, ensuring you get the best quality swords and value for your money. They contribute to the community, employing people, paying taxes and duties and dealing with customer service issues that arise in the right way.

And many are fellow sword lovers just happy to be able to make a modest living from following their passion, not opportunists looking to make a quick buck..

The sad part is, the Ebayers offering Japanese swords for sale do a disservice to not only you the buyer, but to the entire sword industry as a whole..

Dan Dacombe summed it up well:

"It's not all Chinese vendors/producers that are shady or liars... far from it. But I think it's understandable when upstanding businesses and vendors (Chinese or otherwise) aren't thrilled about competing with vendors that knowingly stretch or bend the truth, sometimes past the breaking point. The point is that the actions of a few - specifically, a group of vendors (who in this case happen to be Chinese) on eBay that are not being truthful about their products - negatively impact the market for everyone. It creates false competition and false expectations. It hurts legitimate vendors and producers around the world. And it causes customers to be victimized by purchasing products that aren't as advertised - even if they never discover this fact. More than anything else, it contributes to a negative perception of this particular Chinese industry - which is a massive shame, as it is a widely varied industry full of incredible people who are true artists at what they do. I think they deserve the kind of diligence we're trying for at SBG, if nothing else."


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